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Let's Discuss Small Dogs, Cats & Caged Birds at 9400 |
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Owner Comments |
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I've listed below all comments received from 9400 unit owners. |
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Posted 8/31/09
I am so sorry this happened to your sweet dog. I agree John the "Owner Tag" system should be enforced. It is like the pool tags. People do not use them , nor are the tags enforced, and the procedure goes by the wayside. Sorry to say, I do not think there is a thing you can do about it. Even if you get it corrected for awhile.....it always seems to go back to the same old....some old. Appreciate the time and effort you are putting into the problem. Good luck, Joan Snyder 1504 |
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Posted 9/1/09
- Margot Chappell
Joins Committee
I'm sorry about the attack on your dog. I trust your dog is recovering nicely now. I'm also glad that the owner of the other dog has taken full responsibility for the attack and covered all your expenses.
We purchased our unit at 9400
because we missed vacationing (renting) without
our dog. 9400 was great because owners were
allowed to enjoy the beach (vacation) with their
dog(s), and we were told that 9400 was dog
friendly. During our decade of ownership we
have repeatedly experienced that dog
friendliness and have enjoyed the many other
dogs and their owners.
Our black chow-chow,
Midnight, filled our empty nest as well as our
hearts. We met many dog owners who, although
they may have forgotten our names, rarely forgot
the beautiful, quiet black dog, or his name,
Midnight. With Midnight's passing, our home is
now blessed with two chow-chow pups. They enjoy
their walk on the boardwalk raising money for
the Humane Society in April. They enjoy the
attention and hugs from children asking if they
are bears or lions. They have never had wild
parties or thrown articles off the balcony.
The key is not the size of
the dog, but the etiquette and training of the
dog -- or to put it more bluntly, the
aggressiveness of the dog as you recognized in
your original letter to the board. There is no
easy "one size fits all" solution to this
problem, but only a case-by-case response. You
were on the right track when you told the board
that there should be a response to the first
offense, and then an escalating response if
there is any subsequent violation.
I am willing to serving with
you on the Dog Committee so that all viewpoints
are respectfully considered. Together, the
committee can recommend a workable and fair
solution that will insure that as humanly
possible the trauma you and your dog experienced
will not occur to you or any other dog owner at
9400.
Margot Chappell, Owner
Unit 902
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| Posted 9/1/09 ( also posted to
Committee Work) Hello, Margot. Thank you for your note and for volunteering to serve on the 9400 Pet Committee. I've posted your email under the "Owner Comments" tab on the Pet Committee website where I will also post this response. My expectation is that almost all committee discussion will be carried out via email. That will allow us to post comments on the website and aid in making the committee's work transparent. For the next two weeks or so, my plan is to only collect and post comments from owners. Then we'll have a much better idea of what we need to discuss and what needs significant reaction. Committee discussion will follow the collection of comments. There are several things on my mind that I think will eventually become part of the project discussion. You might be thinking about such things as rights and obligations of pet owners and non-pet owners, the definition of the term "small dogs," the effectiveness of dog tags, the potential liability of the condo association in the event of a serious dog attack on a child, how to react to reports of overly aggressive animals, and many other things. I'm also slightly concerned that you may have misinterpreted my thoughts about responding to a first offense and then escalating responses for subsequent violations. My hope is to avoid the first offense and respond strongly to a first offense so as to ensure that there is no chance of a subsequent violation. For now, let's watch the website to see how owners respond to our request for identification of problems and potential solutions. JR |
Posted 9/1/09 Hi John, I'm very sorry to hear that your dog was attached and hope your dog is doing OK. I feel that the 9400 she enforce strict rules on pets. I believe that only owners should be allowed to have their dogs staying with them in their condos and be present if the dog staying with them belongs to family. This summer was very busy for me on the elevator with dogs. They were always on there and many of them hot and bothered. Summer is very hard on dogs and they are not as happy being secluded on an elevator with other people crowding them after being out in the heat. I was very worried about the dogs being so close to my grandchildren ages three and one because they love animals and they tend to put their hands out to them. We caution them against getting to close to the dog before he gets downstairs to go out to do his business or after he comes back into the elevator after being in the heat. I feel no matter what the owner of a dog says about his pet being good about people approaching them, I don't trust a dog in the hot weather. Many of these dogs have to go to the bathroom and get very anxious waiting for the elevators in the summer when the building is full of vacationers. I think the summer is a much harder time for dogs to be able to get outside in time to relieve themselves and I've seen them come back into the lobby area and be barking and growling at other dogs. You don't know what they may do. Thank you, Pat Critzer Unit 1204 |
| Posted 9/1/09 Our bylaws already state what is "acceptable" and "not to be tolerated" from pet owners. It is my understanding that only condo owners may bring their pets to the building. It seems the rules have been relaxed for some - we need uniform enforcement of the condo rules. I support you, John, in your efforts to rectify this matter. Sandy Nolan - 1605 |
| Posted 9/3/09
I have owned two dogs since I
have been at the 9400, each of 65-70 pound range (Taffy
& Savannah) both have departed this earth but I do have
two "granddogs" one belonging to each of my adult
children and their families. These very pleasant
animals come to the beach when my children and their
children visit. The dogs are leashed when in or out of
the building common areas. They are "picked up after"
and before getting on an occupied elevator, I always ask
the occupants if anyone minds riding with a dog. Most
times people seem to be fine with it. Occasionally,
small children are frightened by the dog so even if we
are invited on the elevator, if I sense any fear on the
part of anyone, I wait for the next elevator or use the
steps.
I agree that the tag system
that we have should be used and enforced but I must
insist that my "granddogs" be issued a tag.
I hope that any rules with
regard to pets in the building will also take into
consideration the pets of responsible immediate family
members.
Alan Kreshtool
Unit 305
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| Posted 9/4/09
John,
I agree we have a growing
problem with pets in the building. The solution seems
to lie primarily in enforcement of existing rules.
Owners dogs only should be allowed, and they should
display the green tags. Close monitoring by staff and
guards must be consistent and visable. Renters should
be clearly warned that the policy will be strictly
enforced. I would also support a board decision to levy
a sizable fine against owners when occupants of their
units violate the rules.
Good luck,
Don & Joan Horan (Unit 404)
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| Posted 9/5/09 Luann Polizzi Joins
Committee (Also Posted to Committee Work) I am the owner of the 2 boxers that reside in 803. My name is Luann Polizzi and I am willing to be on this committee. |
| Posted 9/5/09
I am so sorry to hear about the attack on your dog. My name
is Luann Polizzi, I am the owner of the 2 boxers ( Ekim and
Delila ), that reside in unit 803. My dogs are not small by
any means, but they are very obedient and well trained. I
never go into an elevator without first asking if anyone
objects and my dogs know the term "Wait" so that I can look
out into the lobby to see if other dogs or people are
waiting to get into the elevator. They also know that they
are not allowed to interact with people unless I give the
command to do so. My dogs were also attacked this year by a
small white Scottish Terrior. Thankfully, I was able to keep
my dogs under control so that the owner of the small white
dog could get into the elevator, thus preventing a dog
fight. As an Emergency Room Trauma Nurse I have witnessed
many severe dog bites, and not all were from large breed
dogs. Most were family pets and the victims were mostly
young children. It doesn't matter if your dog is a 3 lb.
yorkie or a 90 lb rottie, all dogs are dangerous .Obedience
training is a must for all dog owners if they intend to
interact their dog with large volumes of people and
different situations. Training opens up a clear line of
communication between you and your dog, it allows the dog to
understand what is expected of him in all circumstances.
Training sets rule and boundaries, thus preventing
unacceptable behavior. Training educates your dog both large
and small to become a responsible member of society.
Including how to relate to other dogs, strangers, and
situations that differ from the every day norm. So let us
stop blaming the dog, the real culprit here is the owner of
the dog. If you sense that your dog becomes anxious or
aggressive in different environments, or with other animals
and people," DO NOT " bring him with you until he is
trained to accept these situations. It is not fair to the
other owners, renters,or the dog. A trained dog a much safer
dog for all of us involved. It is our responsibility to keep
our dog in control at all times and to keep everyone safe.
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| Posted 9/5/09 Annette Berul Joins
Committee (Also Posted to Committee Work) Annette said she would help you although we will not be here after the 1st week in October. Tom told me that there is a definition of small dogs in the Hartz food manual, which may be useful. |
| Posted 9/7/09
Options for Board:
1. Owners modify the Bylaws- "No dogs in the
9400 building common areas or 9400 common grounds
areas"- will never get enough votes for approval.
2. Board unilaterally modify the House Rules and
Regulations- "No dogs in the 9400 building common areas or
9400 common grounds areas"- Board will incur the wrath of
all dog owners.
3. Board unilaterally modify the House Rules and
Regulations- "All dogs must have muzzles on when anywhere
in the 9400 building common areas or 9400 common grounds
areas."
This will not please either dog owners or non-dog owners but
the old saying is " If both parties are unhappy you have
made a good decision."
Only owner dogs in the building MUST be enforced. It has not
been for years. This means non-renters such as friends,
relatives, children, etc. can not have their dogs at 9400.
FYI.
Bob Snyder #1504
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| Posted 9/17/09 Judi Segermark Joins Committee (Also Posted to Committee Work) Message |
| Posted 9/18/09 Committee Membership is Closed (Also Posted to Committee Work) |
| Posted 9/19/09 John, First, I'm very sorry to hear about you dog. I'm Bob Steinbach, and I own 2105. I have one of my own, and two cats, all have visited 9400. It's not just a 9400 problem. I went to walk my dog last Aug and met another person and dog at the corner of Coastal Ave. The dog recognized my dog from 50 ft away and was very aggressive. Fortunately, the owner saw us coming and reacted. But the bottom line was, he knew he had an aggressive dog and walked in public anyway. No muzzle, completely dependant on his picking out a victim and warning us not come near. That's just wrong. Many places have size limits, which people ignore, number of pets limits, which people ignore, there are leash laws, etc. Bottom line is, that dog had no business being in the building. It wasn't Bea's (Century 21) fault, the folks weren't renters. It's owner's responsibility to make sure that other don't bring dogs in. I know dogs are suppose to have tags. I have bought several tags because my dog will loose his collar at home (large farm in the country). I don't know if it's legal to fine the owner, but it's an education thing. And We owners probably need to challenge others more. Just my thoughts. Bob |
| Posted 9/20/09 I wonder if I could have the names of the people serving on the Committee and whether they own dogs, and if so, what size dogs they own. I think in order to get a fair decision on this matter and a full spectrum on the views of all, it would only be fair to have one person that does not own a dog and two people that own small dogs and two persons that own larger dogs serve on the Committee. In this way, a decision that will be fair to all should be able to be reached and the recommendations will not be weighted in favor of any one group. I hope you will post this question, and provide me with details on those who have been picked to serve on this Committee. Thank you. Judy Whitbred |
| Posted 9/20/09 - Reply to Judy
Whitbred Hello, Judy. Thank you for your note. It has been posted to the website under the "OWNER COMMENTS" tab. The committee us composed of 5 members: John Roth (602): Owns two small dogs (Bichon Frise) Luann Polizzi (803): Owns two large dogs (Boxers) Margot Chappell (902) Used to own one large dog (Chow-Chow.) She now owns two new Chow-Chows that will eventually be large dogs. Annette Berul (1107) Annette is a dog lover but not a dog owner. Judy Segermark ( 1006 ) Judy is our newest committee member. My list indicated that she has a dog but I'm unaware of the dog's breed or size. My owner list indicates that you have a dog. Is it large or is it small? Please note - The Pet Committee won't make any of the decisions about the pet project. The Pet Committee will make recommendation(s) to the Board of Directors. The BOD can accept or reject our recommendation(s.) JR |
| Posted 9/29/09 Hi John We are also sorry to learn of this incident and are happy to know your pet is recovering. We also own a small dog that is quite happy to travel with us. We wouldn’t consider leaving her home during our frequent stays at the beach. We want her with us; that’s why we selected a small dog for our pet and confirmed pets are allowed before we bought our two units in the 9400. We live on the seventh floor and use the back stairs to take her out. We do return through the lobby because we can not re-enter the building through the back door. We do occasionally have our daughter’s two small dogs visit us at the beach. I don’t see a reason why they should be unwelcome now especially since they have not created any problems in the building. Our pets are friendly. We respect our neighbors and keep control over them so that they do not disturb others. We crate them when we are not present in the condo. If for any reason someone needs to enter the unit they can without danger from our pet. The pet owner is responsible for the behavior of his/her dog, cat, etc… If an issue arises the owner is accountable. Pet tags should be purchased yearly and the pet owners should sign for full responsibility for any damage attributed to that pet. I believe the pets that are present in the building are managed responsibly. My best regards Linda Flynn Units 704 and 1201 |
| Posted 10/02/09 I hope this gets to you and I apologize for the delay in responding but my computer has become a problem, unfortunately. I appreciate your letting me know about the members of the committee, and it appears that the overall makeup of the committee should be fair. I have meet the owner of the boxers and they are both very well mannered. My dog is a small german shephard mix and weighs 70 lbs. He is well mannered, does agility competition with many other dogs and has never been aggressive to another dog. Most importantly, because I won't allow him to act in that manner. I make sure to keep him away from the elevator doors when they open. I never enter an elevator with other people unless I ask them if they have a problem with dogs, and before I allow him to exit the elevator, I always note the environment we will be walking into. Just a little common sense and consideration can go a long way. The size of the dog has nothing to do with an aggressive personality. In fact, I have found that in many cases the smaller the dog the more likely they are to be allowed to act in an aggressive manner. In order to be fair, I would even agree to require a mussle on ALL dogs in any public areas of 9400 (that means small and large dogs). I would not like that, but if you feel that is necessary than it should be across the board for all dogs. I literally see hundreds of dogs at the agility competitions, and I have never seen a dog fight, but the OWNERS use common sense, and don't allow their dogs to run up to one another. They look around the corner before walking around it blind, and when they are walking with their dogs, they are paying total attention to the dog and what is going on around them. I hope we don't jump into doing something that will mean only more cumbersome rules and regulations that are unnecessary.
Judy Whitbred Owner #1302 |
| Posted 10/3/09 Sorry about not being available, I have been ill. I am still willing to participate on the committee and will help with the issues at hand. I was never given a copy of the By - Laws when we purchased our unit. At the time of purchase I did not own my boxers. The first summer my husband and I stayed at the 9400 building we met many dog owners with large dogs, it was never a factor in my mind that large breed dogs weren't allowed in this building the first time we brought our boxer on vacation with us. Everyone we met was very friendly to us and our dog, I met many new friends that summer. A particular owner of a large dog who lived in the unit for many years stands out in my mind, I don't remember his name but I am sure you will remember that as his dog aged he would take him out in a little red wagon to do his business. I never saw anyone stop him or say anything about the size of his dog. He told me that he had the dog at the 9400 building since the dog was a puppy, the dog was about 12 or 13 years old when we met for the first time As I sit in my living room reading the e-mails from Mr. Roth to board members and other dog owners, it seems to me that this particular matter is becoming, for lack of better words a " DOG FIGHT ". A fight between large and small dog owners. If this is the case I will also have to consult my attorney. This is actually a discriminatory action. My boxers are my family and most of my enjoyment of owning my unit is the time I spend with them. Playing on the beach, taking them to Rehoboth to walk around the shops, and meeting other dog owners. I don't remember half of the owners names but I remember their dogs and most remember me as the lady with the 2 boxers. Although I don't have a copy of the By - Laws, I do know that there is a noise control ordinance in Ocean City Md. Many nights as my husband and I sit on our balcony which faces the north side of the building our peaceful solitude is often disturbed by the constant yipping and barking of the small dogs a few units below. I am not saying my dogs never bark, but this yipping and barking has gone on for hours. If I have to enforce the noise issue I will concerning these small dogs. This entire problem seems to be getting out of hand instead of solving or reaching a solution to this very delicate problem, it seems to me that the issue at hand is doing nothing but causing distention amongst the owners. We need a resolution by the BOD as soon as possible. |
| Posted 10/13/09
John,
As a local realtor, I come
across many different buildings that have some sort of
pet policy. Most of the buildings allow pets for the
owners, but not for the renters or other family members.
This is pretty standard in most locations, but one hi
rise has a bit of a different twist that I think is
interesting. They allow pets of any size for the owners,
but the board has the right to refuse to allow the owner
to bring their pet if the animal becomes a problem. This
is written in the buildings by laws and is given to all
new buyers when they receive their condo docs. This
might be a good way to allow all well behaved pets to
enjoy their time at the beach.
Thanks for the format!
Bill
Bill & Sharon Hunt
The "Hunt The Beach" Team Re Max Premier Properties 6200 Coastal Hwy Ocean City, MD 21842 Bill's Cell: 443-235-1510 Sharon's Cell: 443-944-1271 Email: HuntTheBeach@aol.com Web: www.HuntTheBeach.com Fax: 410-524-4700 |
| Posted 10/15/09
I'm sorry I haven't been near my computer sooner to respond
in a timely manner. I believe dogs should be allowed if
they are well behaved and the owner can keep them under
control. If that makes it necessary for a certificate from
an obedience school that would be acceptable. Unit owners
need to go by the rules that are set up or their dog or dogs
should be banned from the building, that would include not
cleaning up after their pet outside as well.
Dick Forbes, unit 607
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| DISCUSSION CLOSED AS OF 10/28/09 - THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST Almand, 9400, bylaws, by-laws,dogs |